The American-made Savage A17 is an exceptionally well performing rifle. After shooting a friends Remington 597 in 22WMR I was skeptical about cycling on a magnum rimfire. It feeds from a 10-round rotary magazine that fits flush with the belly of the stock. I sell or give away unreliable guns. At 1500 rounds it was obvious that it was time to clean. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. More than a year before being picked up by ATK, Savage’s engineers had worked out a solution for the .17 HMR semi-automatic rifle. by Mark Keefe - The fire-control parts are mounted in a polymer housing attached to the bottom rear of the receiver—the trigger guard is part of this assembly, not the stock. The gun was made to be an inexpensive target rifle, and it looks the part. I’ve shot two A17 rifles and was very disappointed that they were single shots, unless using the A17 ammo. I absolutely love the cartridge. The only other real miss here is that the barrel isn’t threaded. An interrupter lug—or “Chicklet”—on the bolt’s top (arrow) locks into a recess in the A17’s receiver. Concurrent to the rifle’s launch, CCI introduced A17 ammunition, which delivers 100 f.p.s. While the A17 has modern looks, it is not an aesthetic abomination. For a $300 plinker or small-game getter, Savage’s A17 in.17 HM2 is a fantastic little rifle. This has the Boyds Pro Varmint stock which is a hardwood stock. If you need longer range than what .22LR can do, bulk .223/5.56 ammo isn’t that much more than .17 HMR, and will give longer range,less wind drift, and more terminal energy. Devoid of iron sights, the A17’s comb is optimized for scope use, and its butt is topped by a very generous, soft recoil pad. Been back to the dealer 2 times now and its going back cause now it wont do anything But, I can’t choose which one I want, nor can I ‘build’ one for under $200.00- the way I want it at least. Once the carrier moves, the lug cams downward out of the way, allowing straightforward blowback operation. Finally, I agree that every single one should come with a 1/2″ 28 thread tip for a suppressor. I would rather just focus on my breathing and fire!! It features a delayed-blowback action. In Johnson Model of 1941 rifle fashion, the stock flairs out around the 10-round-capacity magazine then tapers rearward of it. It is a beautiful rifle and one of my favorite rifles now. I guess Savage knows what their doing! That patent-pending delayed blowback action is certainly the reason for the rifle’s perfect reliability. Thursday, September 17, 2015. Your email address will not be published. Cost me $50 to ship, as savage doesn’t pay for shipping to the factory. Granted, some of those parts are assemblies containing many little parts, but it is really an impressive engineering feat. Excellent reliability and I would highly recommend! This momentary hesitation keeps the gun closed just long enough for pressures to drop. Savage's semi-automatic A Series has proven itself for reliability and accuracy. Thanks to then-new high-energy propellant and a modern, jacketed bullet with a good ballistic coefficient (not a misshapen hunk of lead from a previous century), the new cartridge was the first 200-yd. I bought one about a year ago, and I have really enjoyed shooting it at the range. Conversely, if a cartridge does not work in a particular gun, the ammunition manufacturer points its finger at the gunmaker. Well done, but I’m still on the fence between the two…. And it’s inexpensive to produce in quantity—sometimes mere pennies a round—. The A17 is an inexpensive target/varmint rifle. Two other possibilities for .17 HMR irregularities were bore obstructions (likely from squib loads causing a jacketed bullet to stick in the barrel) or case failures at the rim—rare but possible. The same way Kel-Tec made the .22 WMR work with its delayed-blowback/recoil-operated hybrid PMR-30 (November 2011, p. 80) and its CMR-30 carbine—through its own brand of delayed-blowback operation. The A17 features Savage’s incredible AccuTrigger. Incredibly simple, incredibly functional. like bond’s db5. Very straight forward and I like the fact that you didn’t bring any prejudice to the table. That means there could be no finger-pointing at the dinner table. Unless you know of a ultra cheap .223/5.56 load that will shoot 1 MOA or better I’ll go with .17 HMR. Savage’s B17 FV is a robust and accurate if somewhat homely bolt-action repeater chambered for the zippy.17 HMR cartridge. Not only did the rifle have to work, it had to be affordable. .17 HMR loads. Glad it did. My initial reaction when I first heard about the new A17 was to question Savage’s choice of the.17 HMR over the speedy.17 WSM. Although the bolt does not stay open after the last round is fired, the A17 has a manual hold open located behind the trigger guard (l.). Savage A17 rail (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com). It’s so good, in fact, that I’m personally struggling between a .17 WSM and a .17 HMR. Looking at Savage’s A17 page I can see a few different Boyd’s stocks being offered in factory configs. Retail price was $380-something, clearance priced at $188. The second school of thought: build an affordable good-shooting rifle that needs no work. At the range, the recoil of the A17 can likely be measured with scientific instruments, but it’s pretty hard to feel it. SG Ammo has new brass Fiocchi 55g FMJ BT for $264/1000, and there were tons of Black Friday deals where you could get quality brass-cased ammo for well under $275/1000 (with mail-in rebates, I saw some for as little as $235/1000). A rotary design, the magazine (6.) he rimfire cartridge predates the typewriter, yet remains little changed in how it actually works. This adjustable trigger provides aftermarket performance from a factory gun. Necking down the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) case to .17-cal. https://www.jardinc.com/savage-a17a22 makes one of them. In its goal of achieving an affordable, safe, accurate, semi-automatic .17 HMR, Savage has succeeded. Get the 25 round mags they function great. Reliability * * * * * The fire-control unit (2.) It fits well in a standard rest, but a split-wing type bag would work better with this stock than just a thick pillow style. It fits me well with low rings, but most will probably like medium height rings, depending on your objective. I’ve heard about all of the misfeeds/misfires & thought the issues were addressed. I don’t buy any gun without also buying a thousand rounds of ammo, optics and usually a few other things so I probably saved myself at least $5-600 maybe another couple hundred bucks to get the barrel threaded (don’t know what process that costs – I’ve only bought guns with threaded barrels for the last few years). The Savage A17 is an affordable gun at about $450. Almost as brilliant as Savage’s Accutrigger and deserving of great praise. Standard blowback wasn’t the answer for them—the bolt had to remain fully closed long enough for the pressure to drop to a safe level. The shoulder on a .17 HMR case is formed after priming. E-mail your comments/questions about this site to:EmediaRifleman@nrahq.org For questions/comments about American Rifleman magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Rifleman, visit nramediakit.com for more information. In this case, as in many others, it will end up saving you some time. The firearm was boringly reliable, as it should be. When introduced, we thought so much of the .17 HMR we put a single, diminutive cartridge all by itself on “the white cover,” calling it “The Little Cartridge That Could” (March 2002, p. 48). Garrow Development makes a roller-locked 17 hmr AR-15 upper that is (obv) gas operated/DI and supposedly works. Can you imagine optics so great that you don’t even need illumination? We already have some ideas for a suppressed A17 project gun with upgraded stock and barrel(s). I too LOVE the simple bolt delay action. I waited 2 years after they came out to buy one. Long cartridges with bottlenecks are not so simple. I find it to be a little too iffy for me! The interrupter lug locks into a recess (1.) The malleable brass—pressed outward by the expanding gases created by the propellant—has to be contained by the chamber walls and a closed bolt face. Propellant and projectile are then added using high-speed machines. Twist Rate: 1:9 Frankly, the bolt-action .17 WSM B.MAG wins high marks in the value price category, but in my view it was beaten severely—within an inch of its affordable life—by the ugly stick. Faster, flatter trajectory, less wind push will help my aim-creating more hits/shots fired. and its guide rod. When they dropped the Indian logo, I sold my 45 year collection and never looked back. You can dial it down to 2 lbs, it breaks cleanly, and has a short lock time. Stay tuned…. But, there are those with AWESOME- zero misfire/feed- rifles… I’d never get that lucky (insert smiley face here). That’s not always the case for rimfires, and especially not for the few folks who have tried to produce a semi-auto .17 HMR. wide eyed frappalappadingdong drinkers staring out the window at a legal transaction. Disgusted, I sent it in to the factory. The 10-round rotary magazine performed perfectly. Then, press in on the rear of the recoil spring guide rod and lift it out to the rear. Barrel Finish: High luster That option was taken off the table when Alliant Techsystems (ATK) acquired Savage Arms in 2013, now both are happy members of the rebranded Vista Outdoor family. So what happened? That is, until Savage came out with the semi-automatic Savage A17, their .17HMR target/varmint rifle. But if you enjoy .17 HMR, by all means go for it. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. That’s the appeal of rimfire. I lubed the gun with some EEZOX CLP prior to shooting, and never cleaned or disassembled the gun again during any portion of the shooting. The rim has to be thin enough so that it can be crushed, setting off the priming compound by a hit on the rim. The .17 HMR wasn’t made to compete with the .22LR. And, I can’t see myself cheaping out on glass- I’d want to stretch the round all the time, including dusk and dawn. New Marlin XTTM Bolt-Action Rifles That sucks. A Savage-style barrel nut secures the 24" medium-contour barrel to the stock. The bottom line is that when a rifle does not meet expectations, the gunmaker typically blames the ammunition company. It would eject the spent casing but didn’t have enough push to reset the bolt enough to grab the next cartridge. On the price, where I’m at the price of .17 HMR is $12-15 for 50rds and the cheap .223/5.56 that’s not steel case is no less then six dollars and change on sale for 20rds. The trigger made springy “sprong!” noises. CCI A17 ammo and A17 rotary magazine (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com). This is a review and hunt report, with accuracy information from testing four different types of ammunition (however, we are only relying on three of the brands/specs of ammo, more on that later). Forward of the magazine well, a pillar-bedded (it looks like thin tubing) stock screw secures the action and stock from the underside. Shooting from a Caldwell Stinger shooting rest and with a US Optics custom 10X optic, the A17 delivered .8″ five-shot groups averaged over four shot strings at 100 yards with CCI A17 ammunition. I had no issues of any kind throughout the review. That’s why the introduction of the Savage A17 rifle (and accompanying CCI A17 ammunition, which is actually about 100 feet per second faster than other .17 HMR loads) is such a big deal—Savage has succeeded where others failed or simply walked away. Stock Material: Synthetic “Remington has been notified by its supplier of .17 HMR ammunition that .17 HMR ammunition is not suitable for use in semi-automatic firearms. MSRP: $631.00 | Your Price: $548.86. Finally, I can see this gun being a solid truck gun, a brush gun, a walking varminter and a target range gun- all in one. Once those are removed, the bolt handle can be disconnected and the bolt (5.) That was back in 2009, when Remington recalled every Model 597 Magnum rifle in .17 HMR it made from 2003 to 2007. A Savage-style barrel nut secures the A17’s steel receiver to its medium-contour barrel. The Magic Chicklet Look below at the A17 bolt. We are not firearms manufacturers, and we believe the firearms manufacturers are solely the ones responsible for determining if and how they should market and sell a model or type of firearm.” CCI, which produces hundreds of millions of rimfire rounds every year, including most of the market’s .17 HMR, stated: “Do not use .17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms without consulting with your firearm’s manufacturer.”. The steel bolt, left in the white, measures 0.90" wide, 0.58" tall and 3.62" long (save for the extractor). There’s just no comparison there. In my book the.22 LR is a great cartridge. Used gun grease in the specific spot they recommend. I think that swapping out the Weaver scope base to a piccatinny and replacing the forward sling swivel with one would be very useful for most shooters. That was a really informative and educational article. For those of you unfamiliar with the now 16-year old-cartridge, the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (HMR ) is product of Hornady Manufacturing Company and their work with … Steve Hornady himself weighed in with the following: “We believe .17 HMR ammunition is manufactured to the highest standard of care and quality and performs within the specifications established for .17 HMR ammunition and is consistent with SAAMI standards for ALL ammunition. As much as I wanted to like it I guess I’ll stick to .22LR/.22WMR/.223. It is a blowback that worked flawlessly in recent tests (October 2014, p. 84), but it was engineered specifically for the .17 HMR. Barrel Length: 22 inches If you would like all of the same great function as this gun, but in a much more attractive package, Savage now makes the A17 in two different laminate stocks. Barrel Type: Sporter I’m just not interested in unsuppressed target guns. Thread starter Puzzaz01; Start date Dec 11, 2017; Puzzaz01. Magnum Research offers its blowback-operated Barracuda with a heavy bolt and springs, and Volquartsen catalogs its TF Rifle in .17 HMR, but with a counterweight to keep the bolt closed. The Savage.17 HMR is an immensely popular bolt action rimfire rifle, chambered in a round fast growing in popularity. Do I NEED the extra 450 fps and 75 to 100 feet of range provided by the .17 WSM? The polished barrel is nice, but the yawning gap around it is not. This model is functional, but not particularly attractive. Browning - T-Bolt Sporter. rimfire. started to feel like an adult movie! holds 10 rounds. “More than 500,000 rounds were fired between CCI and Savage, and every test was replicated at both facilities.”. The trigger works half the time when pulled. (Disliking Weaver mounts is just a personal rant- not a functional issue with the base rifle). It is retained by the recoil spring guide rod, which passes through its right side. i stopped driving pontiacs when they ceased to place illuminated injuns on the engine teepee. bought mine out of the trunk of a car in front of a starbucks on irving park rd. must be lifted off to gain access to the recoil spring (4.) I think the reviewer was confused and thought it was the synthetic sporter stock? Accuracy, as has been the case with every .17 HMR we have tested, was impressive, with five-shot groups averaging a mere 1.09". It came back with a new, slightly different and quiet trigger. Ruger had offered the 10/22 Magnum from 1999 to 2006, but quietly abandoned it, too. The heart of the new Savage is markedly different, though. That’s about or below the price / round for .17 HMR. Do you find that the .22Mag has less wind drift than the .17HMR? More from The Truth About Guns: .17 HMR Shoot-off: Savage 93R17 vs. CZ 455. with a 25 degree shoulder and stoking it with Hodgdon Lil’ Gun powder resulted in a 17-gr. This is not a condemnation of the rimfire, just an explanation of the limitations of the case construction. Its unique delayed-blowback action provides safe, reliable operation with any 17 HMR load. I read WAY too many bad reviews and problems with the guns. The rifle works and works well. Get the American Rifleman Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. This model of the A17 has an MSRP of $473. Savage’s A17 is the first successful 17HMR semi automatic rifle since its introduction at SHOT 2015. In front of that is the bolt lock. Again, something may have changed as one rifle was from the 1st month of production and the 2nd was about 6 months later(my father in law stocked up on the A17 ammo before he passed away). If you just want to plink, .22LR is dramatically less expensive (heck, cheap .22LR ammo in bulk is now cheaper than precision .22 airgun pellets). However, by the end of the review, the magazine locked right in with surety and without the previous unsure squishiness I felt when I started shooting the rifle. Everyone ‘personalizes’ their rifles- Ok, well I certainly do! This rifle is amazing and dangerous! Think of the tumbler you use for reloading only larger. Disassembly is a little unusual, and Savage engineered it to make cleaning from the breech easier without the need to fully disassemble the rifle. Other makers previously tried to make their existing designs work with the .17 HMR cartridge; Savage devised a new platform around the cartridge and its known limitations. Weight: 5.6 lbs. The 17HMR is great on prairie dogs in the wind out to 300 yards, after that bullet drop is huge. mmmm this or my 240.00 savage bolt gun that shoot sub moa ? Last year we got into a town where the pups were all over and within 200 yards, perfect for the HMR. Savage A17 .17 HMR Semi-Automatic Rimfire RifleÂ. The ejector, mounted in the receiver, is fixed, and not unlike that of an M1911 pistol in shape. This one shipped from the factory screwed in. We couldn’t believe a semi-auto rimfire would even slightly function after this abuse. Ruger introduced its straight-blowback 10/17, a .17 HMR semi-automatic based on the 10/22 Magnum, in 2004. But, an “inexpensive” semi-auto .17 HMR rimfire rifle SHOULD have issues, right? It’s lightweight, accurate, incredibly reliable and fires a flat-shooting round that’s much quieter than the.17 HMR. Magazine Capacity: 10 rounds Depressing it with the bolt retracted locks the bolt open. Dec 11, 2017 #1 We go on a prairie dog hunt every year around June or July and bring the normal rifles 22-250, 223 and a few bolt action 17 HMR's. A Weaver type rail is included and attaches to the receiver via two screws. I’ve now shot 2 versions of this gun with the same 100% reliable experience, and now with 4 different brands of ammunition. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for EGW Savage A17 Picatinny Rail Scope Mount 20 MOA at Amazon.com. Savage A17 action (image courtesy JWT for thetruthaboutguns.com), I didn’t know squat about this gun before this review. Thanks for a great write up that skipped all of the prior history of the A17. So, how did Savage do it? ya just never know. It’s one of the few missteps on the A17. 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